Are bass fishing fans pushing back on professional bass fishing tournaments and anglers? What are some of the reasons fans of bass fishing and pushing back and wanting changes? Is it because we love the hobby and sport to much?
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I was a bass and flw member for decades the last 4 year I gave up on it all… pros use to fish out of an 18ft , 150hp boat for $100,000. It has been on a giant decline since they started eliminating co anglers on circuits and you cant compete without thousands of dollars on electronics
lol what is difference between a pro with sun glasses catching bass off a bed. I think there was a tournament where a pro had hundred GPS spawning fish. Money will ruin anything good point. Golf seems to have got the message fans or key. Now after a game they give balls hats and sign autographs for hour. This is new. Saw Clark WBB take off her shoes and give to fan. Bass better wake up fast and realize the fan is key. Stop telling the fan what is wrong with your sport how does that help. Spend more time giving fans insight how to fish and have fun. More fan interaction is the key stop acting like U know it all bass fans know it all to well not kidney garden
Bass tournaments should be banned by state fish and wildlife agencies both at the professional and amateur levels. This is from someone who used to fish them.
Good video. I do feel as a bad fisherman if you use ffs of any kind to see fish and catch them. You are not much of a fisherman. I have watched the river I fish go in the dumper on crappie because pepper now can catch fish because of it. Now the state will lower the limit. Ffs of and kind will and has killed off a lot of fish.
Forward facing sonar has a place in my opinion. That place is in instructional settings, whether it is a private lesson or a video, because no one is going to learn a fishing technique that does not produce fish demonstrably. It behooves instructors to show that their techniques work, so in these settings I believe that this electronic capability is appropriate. They find the fish and demonstrate that their techniques work by catching them. As far as normal bass fishing goes I believe that persons using forward facing sonar should be limited to catch and release only, as the advantage gained by the use of this equipment is so large that it is easier to catch larger numbers of fish that can deplete the fish population. I also believe that finding the fish is a huge part of the competition in a tournament setting, so in my view I do not think that it should be allowed in tournaments. My personal preference is to hunt the fish without electronics, and then make presentations in the spots I have chosen through my instincts and experience. I do not use electronics at all (though I own some I have used in the past, and no longer use) and only catch and release. For the record, I am retired and spend a lot of time fishing. I love it. I am in it for the sport and enjoyment, and my only concerns are the enjoyment of the activity and the future of the sport so that it can be enjoyed by and for generations to come.
Their not professional anymore. It's not about know how anymore is about what you can buy and watch
Steve. I believe it’s become a rich man sport. I fished in the 90s where there was a change to reach the pro’s and become one. Now it’s totally out of reach for the very day bass angler.
Anglers should pull back from pro fishing. If they are true pro’s why do they need FFS. Also every pro bass fisherman has lied to the fans and customers from these fishing companies. Ever buy a lure they say just catches bass, and you throw it and it doesn’t work. So why would you believe a pro at all, when they need FFS also. Bass pro fishing is dying. Plus all the cheaters giving the sport a bad name.
NO ONE ENJOYS WATCHING IT…
Absolutely, 99% of the problem is the expense. I can't learn to use what I can't afford. Even the baits are out of site for the weekend warrior.
I used to watch every professional tournament start to finish. I watched all videos of their practices. I didn’t miss a second. Now, if the tournament has FFS, I don’t turn it on. I don’t even check the tournament rankings. Nothing, I’m done with it. Keep FFS if you want, I’m not going to argue with anyone, but you won’t get anything from me. I had every tournament on my calendar. I looked forward to every single one. Not anymore. It’s ruined.
All I can say is, fishing has always been an outdoor pursuit. If you want to stare at a screen, you can do that sitting at home staring at your computer.
On the surface, many of the things you mention SEEM like really big important issues. However, as someone who used to watch Bassmasters in the 80s vs now, the real difference I see is social media which tends to blow everything out of proportion in order to get engagement because the algorithm created by YT rewards engagement, not content. The other thing you need to research is demographics. What are the demographics of people who are unhappy about the areas you mention? FFS is a simple example . Those who hate it, regardless of whether they actually have a reasoned position, are overwhelmingly the 'over 50 and over 60' crowd where as the younger fans who have literally never known a time in their lives where the word 'cell phone' or 'internet' or 'social media' was NOT an actual word, have no issue with this and other new tech. As a matter of basic social dynamics, older generations of humans are in general always more resistant to change than younger ones and most entities that do NOT evolve over time don't survive. Change is INEVITABLE in everything and you either embrace or get left behind.
Always remember this: even if you are on the right track, if you're standing still you'll eventually get run over. Randy Blauket is the poster child for this .. he constantly rages about wishing we all would just returns things to like they were in the 1980s which is just a complete fantasy view of the world.
One of my best professors during my first masters degree said something that has always stuck with me and has stood me in great stead during my professional and personal lives . She said at the end of each course she taught when she handed out the mandatory student critiques that she didn't care what any student wrote about her since she never read them because they were meaningless. They were meaningless because just because you were a student did not mean you understood ANYTHING about what made a good instructor.
As you pointed out, fans are all over the map in what they like and don't like, with much of their positions being diametrically opposed to each other wrt creating interesting content to watch. 99% of them have no professional background in creating interesting content, they just know what the like based on their own prejudices, just like student who know what kind of tech her they like, regardless of whether said teacher is actually any good. The old adage 'you can't please everyone' also comes force ably to mind.
It would be interesting to see what the actual unbiased numbers are for fans watching events vs was it was back in the '80s? One data point I have noticed is that when you see shots of the 'crowd' during daily weigh ins it looks about the same as I remember when I saw weigh ins in the '80s …
My reasons are simple. When I watch a guy finish consistently in the top ten in each tournament that allows FFS but then tends to drop back to 90th place in the ones without the box that tells me that the guy really doesn't 100% understand fishing and wouldn't be on the trail without FFS. It's hard for me to respect a guy like that and even harder to watch him get praised by the commentator for it.
The live format is not as good as the old edited style show. Watching someone fish for 8hrs sucks and it doesn't matter if you're throwing a spinner baits or looking at livescope if you not catching fish it sucks Watching!
I have a few thoughts. Scoping isn't relatable to the majority of people who fish. It's relatively expensive in a time where most people are struggling to make ends meet, and most people don't go fishing to tunnel vision into a screen all day.
Then you have your younger guys who love it because they've grown up with it, and they're cashing checks, but never learned to really fish without it. Then you have your pros in that 30-45 year old range who actually know how to fish, but admit that the tech is so powerful that they have no choice but to use it.
And then there's the people I call "scope dopes". I've been fishing tournaments in the northeast for years, and I know plenty of guys who had way more money than fishing ability. They had the nice boats and latest and greatest gear, but would struggle to break a double digit bag.
Then they got the box, and they're magically pulling in decent bags. They are the scope dopes. But there's also guys I know who consistently pulled nice bags and got the box who pull bigger weights now. It's like rhoids in sports. If you're good, you'll be even better. If you're not good, it'll still give you a performance bump.
My brother fishes 40-50 times a year as a recreational bass fisherman in PA with a 4 gladly 12 hour a day job. He will not watch scoping . Yes he’s talking about the new lures etc and his 30-40 rods he has I see as ridiculous as i woukd rather just wade out in the Susquehanna River and crank bait n tackle water the small mouth with my couple rods n 10 lures . I will watch a non scoping tournament. I’m not watching a scooter chase a bass around a lake like a teenager chasing a girl. The fisherman today are not better . I think they should have a tournament where they all get 5 lures a day and see how it shakes out . That would be interesting…….
if BASS would go back to the original Classic format it would open doors for your average angler.
It’s funny everyone talking about staring at the back of guys heads. I thought the point of fishing was to catch fish. The ones complaining about livescope are the same ones that has probably never use it. It’s ridiculous. Where was all this BS when side image and down scan came out. It’s the exact same thing as livescope. It’s another tool in the toolbox. The only reason to watch fishing is to see them catching fish.
Wonder how long it will be before people want the Urchin Bait banned like the A-Rig. The last few events have been dominated by it. Johnson won the Elite using it without FFS.
Great honest video. I don't tournament fish but I watch videos. My favorite in my 4 guys that fish the MLF. Mark Daniel Jr., Jacob Wheeler, Adrian Avena and Dustin Connell. These 4 guys put out great videos. So entertaining.
its getting old – I got FFS – love to use it and find myself not watching anymore because of the organizations beating it to death. to me its made fishing fun again
I hate 5 fish running around in a live well to the weigh in way more that FFS. Every fish counts, weigh and release is the greatest advancement in the sport in years. The fact is we are making more people but the lake count stays constant or declines. I love the sport, say what you will, but FFS has it's own skill set, I have watched some of the best plan to get healthy in their FFS period only to flop. Gill did so at Redcrest, and he is not chopped liver. I respect it all, I understand reservations about harm to the sport and fisheries, but come on live and let live and enjoy the life we have, God Bless.
Nothing against the younger Gen …. I’m just not into watching em play video games on the bow. I’m done w/ BASS & MLF till they get their act together… if ever with this FFS nonsense. Another reason I’m over it is because from a ‘learning’ perspective there’s nothing for me to watch, since I have ZERO interest in playing with an idiot box’
I think many fans have become "Gen-Z-ized". With the free, all day streaming, they have forgotten that we used to have to wait at least a week for a detailed report on a Tx. Then it was a much anticipated, exciting summary of a every big Tx catches squeezed into 42-48 min air time. It was a presentation pumped up with by Bob Cobb's narration. We are spoiled and want more excitement than watching somone look at their sonar. We have forgotten tha they have been staring at sonar looking for fish for 30 yrs, but just not watched it on TV, unless we were a co-angler. We have forgotten a good full day of Tx fishing may only be 6 or 7 good bites. We get the streamimg for free and won't tolerate having to pay to watch of pay for a more exciting production. i.e. we've become spoiled brats complaining about having only chocolate icecream, and whining why we can't have a free choice of strawberry or orange sherbert on demand.
I have a solution but no one will hear it. But there is a way to appease both sides.